Sydney Swans milestone man Kieren Jack is this week's special guest on the official Sydney Swans podcast Conversations with Cal.

After some great insights into the careers of Dane Rampe and Jarrad McVeigh over the last couple of weeks, we head into the life of Jack.

Callum Sinclair sits down with the veteran midfielder ahead of his 250^th match against Richmond on Saturday night.

The former captain of the Swans discusses his journey from growing up in a rugby league family before choosing an AFL pathway.

What drives Kieren to make it at the top level and what is it that drives him away from footy?

He reflects on the battle to make it onto an AFL list and then challenges of being the captain of a side at such a young age.

Listen below to the latest podcast with Kieren Jack from 4pm on Wednesday or head to the iTunes store and Spotify to subscribe to the podcast.